Aeryck,

Christ's Church, the Catholic Chruch IS the Mystical Body of Christ They are one and the same. Christ prayed for unity and to show the unity in the Chruch and the theological basis of that unity, in Eph. 4: 4-6, St.Paul quotes an acclamation which may well have been taken from early Christian baptism liturgy. It implies that the unity of the Chruch derives from the unicity of the divine essence. The text also reflects the three Persons of the BLessed Trinity, who are at work in the Chruch and who keep it together--one Spirit, one Lord, one God and Father. There is only one Holy Spirit who brings about and maintains the unity of Christ's Mystical Body and there is only one such body, the Chruch.


The Kingdom of God as established by Christ is at the same time a visible Chruch (brick and mortar) and an invisible spiritual kingdom of grace within the soul. External adherance to the visible Kingdom demands also that CHrist reign by grace within the soul. But this interior grace does not dispense a person from accepting the will of Christ once he is aware of it, nor from the obligation to join the visible Kingdom established by Him in this world. Christ distinctly said, "I will build My Chruch" and again, "If a man will not hear the Church, let him be as a heathen." He was obviously referring to the authority (successors of St.Peter), of a visible Chruch. He also likened His Chruch to a net holding good and bad fish. This cannot refer to a kingdom of spiritual and invisible grace only, for bad fish are not in a state of grace.

Yes, I most certainly did.

Lighten up Lula, I was just enjoying your spelling mistake.

Jesus does'nt need crutches because He has perfectly good legs of His own.

I cite Scripture as a most reliabe source of info regarding this for Scripture tells us that Christ established His Church upon Simon Peter and promised He would be with His Chruch which He sent to teach all nations until the consummation of the world.

This is crutch talk.

Your duty is to inquire and find the Church Christ actually established. The CC alone can lawfully make this claim. The truth of the CC can be proved historically. Also, it can be proved historically that Christ lived, that He was/is God, and that He founded an imperishable Chruch which was to be one, holy, catholic and apostolic. Find that Chruch and you will have the true religion of Christ. A good place to start is by the writings of Church Fathers.

When you learn to walk, you have no more need for crutches.

God gives the seeker sufficient intelligence to be able to believe and reason tells that Christianity teaches mysterious things (the Blessed Trinity, God Incarnate, or the Virgin Birth for example). Almighty God has revealed certain extraordinary doctrines and Christ gave His Chruch His own authority to teach those in His name. The Chruch is therefore guaranteed by God as a safe and authentic teacher in religious matters (faith and morals). All this can be reasonably verified.

Actually, that is the smokescreen the crutches use to convince people that they cannot pick up a copy at Cum Bookstores and begin reading today. The Bible is not a mystery, it is a revelation. Crutches love to keep people mystified ... I will leave other to tell why ... ps. Man does not seek after God, that yearning is placed in Him and the Father draws men and women to Jesus Christ and they become part of His body, which is made up of many, many, many members. Not crutch goers.

It remains that Christ justified His claims to be the Divinely sent Teacher and that He sent His Apostles and their legitimate successors to teach all nations and that He laid upon all nations to the obligation of being taught; and that once His teaching has been sufficiently been put before them, men are guilty if they presume to reject it.

Hahahaha...is that crutchification.

I have never really bought into the whole pushy thing that the catholic crutch does. Hooking for converts!

Jesus is a divinely sent teacher ? See what crutch talk does to you. Titles and successors and all that baloney is what you get from being part of the crutch.

Body parts have names 'sons and daughters of God'. The finger is not more important than the toe, or the knees or the foot, or the leg....the only one who is important is the head...and that is the Spirit of Christ.

Crutchification really does teach strange stuff. You can present away all you like but unless by the peradventure of God, they are granted repentance to acknowledge the truth, you can frighten, terrrify and shout out you shall be damned over and over and they will not come. If they happen to join the crutch, it will be out of fear or because of the indoctrination process....ew. All this crutch talk is making me sleepy...

You need to really do some study about the Body of Christ as oppossed to your Crutch philosophy. In His time Lula, in His time.

Aeryck.

there is no possible way that every individual's private interpretation of SS can be CORRECT.

Only the Roman Catholic interpretation of SS is absolutely correct. Hence according to the law of non-contradiction EVERYONE ELSE IS NOT.

Now if you were part of the Body of Christ, you would already know that no-one has absolute truth except the head, the Spirit of Christ. The whole crutch idea is lame because they have been fighting and arguing and even killing each other in the name of CRUTCH for absolutey centuries and why...cause one crutch says to the other crutch....I am the only crutch of Christ...and therefore ye all must do like we do, think like we think and if you are not part of our crutch, you are lost....baloney!

Getting out of crutch mentality took me quite sometime, but it is possible Lula. All you have to do is to leave the crutch first and put all that baloney behind you.

Get out of the crutch!

Nicodemus.

Christ's Church, the Catholic Chruch IS the Mystical Body of Christ

Sorry Lula,
The law of non-contradition totally demolishes that type 'crutch reasoning.'

Goodnight.
Aeryck.

Wow, see this is the problem I have with Christianity and, particularly, the subjective interpretations of the bible. The above tract sure sounds like it is talking about a Christmas trees, i.e. 'deck it with silver and with gold', yet you are 'of the opinion' he is not talking about Christmas trees. Hmmm, very subjective indeed...

Actually dynamaso your problem with Christianity is you do have a clue as to what it is about.... for what man knoweth the things of a man save the spirit of man which is in him even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. The only thing your feeble human intellect can understand is vain religion. It may be that has formed your thoughts about Christianity. Quite the contrary my friend, but spiritual discussion is better left to others than your self.

And you and I don't, you bastard.

stupid milk man

Adventure-Dude as the originator and overseer of this thread, I would like to apologize for SanChonino. At times he is at a loss for words and has difficulty expressing himself. I don't think that he meant this demeaning discription of your character.

To help you understand from a biblical perspective, is that a man receives the 'Spirit of Truth' when he / she is born again... except a man be born again, he can not see the kingdom of heaven. Be careful about getting spiritual doctrine on the Holy Spirit from dynamaso. He is not the best source on biblical truth....

Now if you were part of the Body of Christ, you would already know that no-one has absolute truth except the head, the Spirit of Christ. The whole crutch idea is lame because they have been fighting and arguing and even killing each other in the name of CRUTCH for absolutely centuries and why...cause one crutch says to the other crutch....I am the only crutch of Christ...and therefore ye all must do like we do, think like we think and if you are not part of our crutch, you are lost....baloney!

Now this has some foundational support.... Nice way to look at it aeryck. Religion give far too much credence to the influences other than the Spirit of Truth..'howbeit when he the Spirit of Truth is come, he will guide you into all truth... this unction we have of God, that we need not that any man teach us. This is the kind of bible that I am accustomed to reading...

Get out of the crutch!

I came out of a crutch situation of sorts I was 28 years old but it can happen. Religion is a powerful tool and can even be used by the enemy of the cross. We don't like to admit it but it is true. Even church members took the Christ to counsel...

Peace
hamartano

Yet, even now, here you are, bleating your nonsense for all the world to see, condemning everyone who does not interpret things to your liking.

You and your ilk are the Pharisees of old, dressed in sheep's clothing.

You disgust me.

Someone doesn't get sarcasm and jokes...wow...

~Zoo

I've never had difficulties expressing myself, you twat-faced bulbous toerag.

You just have difficulties understanding. Happens when your head is forcibly inserted in your rectal cavity.

How exactly do you breathe in there, anyway?

Tomorrow, right Sausage Man? Hahahahaha.

Hmm, you hardly know anything about me yet you presume to judge me. I'm am not going to bother with a response to your aspersions except to say you are the one who is in the wrong. Faith, spirituality and the grace it brings comes in many forms, not necessarily or only confined to Christian faiths. I believe it is you who needs to leave these discussions to other more open-minded and worthy persons.

That is brilliant.



I think the toxic atmosphere has affected the brain.

~Zoo

I am still just totally diggin' how Aeryck is talking to himself in the form of Hamsandwich. Pure comedy GOLD.

1St.Peter 1:23 addresses Christians as those who "have been born anew." The Greek in St.John 3:3 allows for "born again".

Christ's reply to Nicodemus is critical for understanding what it means to be 'born again". "I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit." 3:5.

The event described here refers to the Sacrament of Baptism which is according to Christ is necessary to enter the kingdom of God. Baptism is when a person is washed with water and receives the Holy SPirit. Later, preaching on Pentecost, St.Peter confirms that those who are baptized receive the Spirit.

Now some deny that Christ was referring to Baptism here and insist that all one needs to be 'born again' is an initial profession of faith in Christ...and you're good to go, once-saved always saved kicks in.

The early writings of Justin Marytr, Irenaues, Athanasius, Basil the Great, Ambrose of Milan, Gregory of Nyssa, and St. Augustine are most helpful in understanding how the early Christians uniformly identified this passage with Baptism. Water Baptism is the way they said, that we are born again and receive new life--a fact that is supported elsewhere in Scripture. Rom. 6:3-4; Col. 2:12-13; Titus 3:5.



All Baptized Catholics are "born anew". The new birth, which is the beginning of the new life in Christ must come about after the death of the "old self", Rom. 6:6, that is the unredeemed nature burdened by Original Sin. The person who thus "dies" says St.Paul is "absolved from sin."

How does this death leading to new life come about? Through the remission of sins in Baptism. "Are you aware that we who are baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? We were indeed buried with Him through Baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might live in newness of life." Rom. 6:3-4.

To be 'born anew", then is to be baptized, In this Sacrament of grace through "water and Spirit", the soul is washed clean, the "old self" is buried and the new (sanctifying) life in Christ begins. Since every Catholic has been baptized, every Catholic has indeed been 'born again' and is called to grow in grace with the help of the Holy SPirit.


Nicodemus got it, do you?

Pure comedy GOLD.

Now all you need to do is take a course in adult education.

Aeryck.

To be 'born anew", then is to be baptized

Do you know that because you got wet on the outside, or because you got.........hahahahaha....

O woman at the well ?